1 00:00:06,170 --> 00:00:02,409 well welcome to the afternoon session 2 00:00:09,530 --> 00:00:06,180 I'm going to ask a question here is God 3 00:00:12,110 --> 00:00:09,540 a mathematician well this was a book 4 00:00:13,879 --> 00:00:12,120 that a colleague of mine an astronomer 5 00:00:16,340 --> 00:00:13,889 professor Mario Livio wrote a few years 6 00:00:18,050 --> 00:00:16,350 ago and I think it's a very profound 7 00:00:19,790 --> 00:00:18,060 question in fact that very profound 8 00:00:24,170 --> 00:00:19,800 question I think isn't one that can be 9 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:24,180 extended down to all levels of reality 10 00:00:28,580 --> 00:00:27,210 giving us a theory of everything that's 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:28,590 a radically new one which is of course 12 00:00:36,319 --> 00:00:33,210 the title of the talk a theory of 13 00:00:38,450 --> 00:00:36,329 everything well what we mean by that was 14 00:00:43,100 --> 00:00:38,460 a hypothetical all-encompassing coherent 15 00:00:45,279 --> 00:00:43,110 framework that fully explains and links 16 00:00:47,330 --> 00:00:45,289 together all aspects of the universe now 17 00:00:49,490 --> 00:00:47,340 finding a theory of everything is one of 18 00:00:52,069 --> 00:00:49,500 the major unsolved problems in physics 19 00:00:54,380 --> 00:00:52,079 but note how this physics basis is sort 20 00:00:56,270 --> 00:00:54,390 of taken for granted everything refers 21 00:00:58,970 --> 00:00:56,280 to everything as long as physics is at 22 00:01:00,380 --> 00:00:58,980 the basis of it well I think that I have 23 00:01:05,329 --> 00:01:00,390 a way of looking at things that will be 24 00:01:07,310 --> 00:01:05,339 quite a bit different in this book by 25 00:01:09,590 --> 00:01:07,320 Stephen Hawking I believe this was his 26 00:01:11,750 --> 00:01:09,600 first one a brief history of time he 27 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:11,760 wrote if we discover a complete theory 28 00:01:16,670 --> 00:01:13,650 then we shall all be able to take part 29 00:01:18,859 --> 00:01:16,680 in the discussions of why it is that we 30 00:01:20,929 --> 00:01:18,869 and the universe exist it would be the 31 00:01:22,510 --> 00:01:20,939 ultimate triumph of human reason for 32 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:22,520 then we should know the mind of God 33 00:01:26,270 --> 00:01:24,810 well I'm sure that would be a very nice 34 00:01:27,980 --> 00:01:26,280 thing to do and I'm not sure that 35 00:01:30,410 --> 00:01:27,990 Stephen Hawking would let him on anyone 36 00:01:33,620 --> 00:01:30,420 else question to God and himself but 37 00:01:36,260 --> 00:01:33,630 before we before we take too much put 38 00:01:37,999 --> 00:01:36,270 too much credence in this mind of God as 39 00:01:41,359 --> 00:01:38,009 viewed by Hawking that somebody really 40 00:01:43,370 --> 00:01:41,369 meant what I meant by we would know the 41 00:01:44,929 --> 00:01:43,380 mind of God is we would know everything 42 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:44,939 that God would know if there was a God 43 00:01:50,870 --> 00:01:48,930 but there isn't I'm an atheist well okay 44 00:01:55,999 --> 00:01:50,880 so much for that to approach to a theory 45 00:02:01,740 --> 00:02:00,029 there is a a new discipline new paradigm 46 00:02:04,109 --> 00:02:01,750 emerging in science called digital 47 00:02:06,179 --> 00:02:04,119 physics a collection of theoretical 48 00:02:08,669 --> 00:02:06,189 concepts based on the premise that the 49 00:02:10,949 --> 00:02:08,679 universe can be thought of as consisting 50 00:02:13,050 --> 00:02:10,959 of information rather than matter and 51 00:02:16,020 --> 00:02:13,060 energy now information 52 00:02:18,210 --> 00:02:16,030 well this naturally sounds absurd since 53 00:02:21,089 --> 00:02:18,220 it's obvious I think that we live in a 54 00:02:24,809 --> 00:02:21,099 universe that's made of real real solid 55 00:02:26,580 --> 00:02:24,819 stuff information on the other hand has 56 00:02:28,470 --> 00:02:26,590 no physical existence I mean information 57 00:02:31,020 --> 00:02:28,480 where is it you can use it to make 58 00:02:34,890 --> 00:02:31,030 things build things but you can't hold 59 00:02:36,330 --> 00:02:34,900 information in your hand so what is the 60 00:02:39,780 --> 00:02:36,340 motivation for entertaining such not 61 00:02:44,460 --> 00:02:39,790 hypothesis as digital physics operating 62 00:02:47,970 --> 00:02:44,470 in an unreal world well there been some 63 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:47,980 new developments in electronics with 64 00:02:53,759 --> 00:02:50,290 respect to virtual reality on March the 65 00:02:56,940 --> 00:02:53,769 28th the oculus rift company launched a 66 00:02:58,500 --> 00:02:56,950 vision of a virtual reality system this 67 00:03:00,539 --> 00:02:58,510 debuted heralding the arrival with 68 00:03:02,430 --> 00:03:00,549 technology as seemingly comes around of 69 00:03:04,470 --> 00:03:02,440 science fiction but it's real I mean 70 00:03:05,550 --> 00:03:04,480 these goggles are now for sale and what 71 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:05,560 will be for sale a year or two from now 72 00:03:10,559 --> 00:03:06,850 will be much more sophisticated I'm sure 73 00:03:12,270 --> 00:03:10,569 in fact this viewer here says I'm 74 00:03:15,059 --> 00:03:12,280 testing the oculus headset in a mountain 75 00:03:16,830 --> 00:03:15,069 climbing simulation the experience 76 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:16,840 teleports me to a jagged cliff in a 77 00:03:22,410 --> 00:03:20,290 virtual world so realistic that I can 78 00:03:24,900 --> 00:03:22,420 barely look down when I do my knees 79 00:03:26,759 --> 00:03:24,910 buckle and my palm sweat and finally my 80 00:03:30,150 --> 00:03:26,769 brain has to interrupt and say dude 81 00:03:33,780 --> 00:03:30,160 you're not really here things can get 82 00:03:37,770 --> 00:03:33,790 very very interesting very quickly in 83 00:03:39,300 --> 00:03:37,780 this regime of digital reality Seth 84 00:03:41,220 --> 00:03:39,310 Lloyd a professor of mechanical 85 00:03:42,870 --> 00:03:41,230 engineering at MIT states that we could 86 00:03:46,069 --> 00:03:42,880 we could have the whole universe 87 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:46,079 simulated in a computer in 600 years 88 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:49,450 provided by the computational increasing 89 00:03:54,330 --> 00:03:51,370 power of Moore's law now Moore's law may 90 00:03:56,490 --> 00:03:54,340 or may not apply you know for another 50 91 00:03:58,710 --> 00:03:56,500 years 100 years but who cares I mean he 92 00:03:59,789 --> 00:03:58,720 said 600 somebody for 6,000 or even 93 00:04:01,589 --> 00:03:59,799 600,000 years 94 00:04:02,789 --> 00:04:01,599 who cares eventually we will get to a 95 00:04:05,250 --> 00:04:02,799 point where we will be able to simulate 96 00:04:07,259 --> 00:04:05,260 the entire universe somehow unless this 97 00:04:08,670 --> 00:04:07,269 whole approach is wrong well I'm going 98 00:04:09,450 --> 00:04:08,680 to take this approach and sort of take 99 00:04:11,340 --> 00:04:09,460 half of it go 100 00:04:13,380 --> 00:04:11,350 it happened to another and in the end 101 00:04:14,790 --> 00:04:13,390 provide you with something that will 102 00:04:17,220 --> 00:04:14,800 actually that will actually make it 103 00:04:19,170 --> 00:04:17,230 possible to reconcile a spiritual and 104 00:04:22,430 --> 00:04:19,180 spirit a spiritual and physical reality 105 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:22,440 so stay in your seats 106 00:04:26,850 --> 00:04:25,210 all right well and from Lloyd's 107 00:04:28,500 --> 00:04:26,860 perspective everything that exists is 108 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:28,510 the output of a university of the 109 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:30,970 universe's computer as a computation for 110 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:38,170 so perceives reality unfolds well what's 111 00:04:41,610 --> 00:04:39,370 the potential evidence for a virtual 112 00:04:42,870 --> 00:04:41,620 reality I'm not gonna go through all of 113 00:04:46,350 --> 00:04:42,880 these but let's talk about a few of them 114 00:04:48,540 --> 00:04:46,360 in a virtual reality you have the space 115 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:48,550 and time governed by Planck length mass 116 00:04:51,930 --> 00:04:50,110 and time that's something really only 117 00:04:53,580 --> 00:04:51,940 physicists whatever appreciate so let me 118 00:04:55,740 --> 00:04:53,590 just say that this this is sort of a 119 00:04:57,630 --> 00:04:55,750 limit on how small something can be a 120 00:04:59,520 --> 00:04:57,640 massive it can be how fast it can go 121 00:05:00,840 --> 00:04:59,530 these are clock constants and they 122 00:05:02,340 --> 00:05:00,850 naturally would fall out of a simulation 123 00:05:04,290 --> 00:05:02,350 that's that's not that's digital a 124 00:05:06,390 --> 00:05:04,300 digital cannot computation would be able 125 00:05:08,340 --> 00:05:06,400 to generate these effects very easily or 126 00:05:10,230 --> 00:05:08,350 for example a maximum speed of light 127 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:10,240 well maybe has to do with the processing 128 00:05:13,860 --> 00:05:12,370 power of some great Universal computer 129 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:13,870 that's that's making all this seemingly 130 00:05:18,510 --> 00:05:16,690 real objects obvious only rendered when 131 00:05:20,730 --> 00:05:18,520 observed this takes us back to the old 132 00:05:22,620 --> 00:05:20,740 question of whether or not when if a 133 00:05:24,990 --> 00:05:22,630 tree falls in the forest does a same one 134 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:25,000 hear it well in this view if there is a 135 00:05:31,170 --> 00:05:27,250 sentient being around that would be able 136 00:05:33,630 --> 00:05:31,180 to hear at the the the but be able to 137 00:05:35,700 --> 00:05:33,640 see or hear the happening then that 138 00:05:37,410 --> 00:05:35,710 would basically show up but the rest 139 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:37,420 would stay within a database sort of 140 00:05:41,220 --> 00:05:39,250 unresolved database until it's needed 141 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:41,230 and so you can actually save a lot of 142 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:43,930 computing time and increase your 143 00:05:48,390 --> 00:05:46,570 bandwidth tremendously if you program 144 00:05:51,930 --> 00:05:48,400 things that only render reality rather 145 00:05:53,820 --> 00:05:51,940 than then amount to every most of every 146 00:05:55,530 --> 00:05:53,830 single atom and molecule and quark and 147 00:05:56,460 --> 00:05:55,540 whatever that that we think makes up 148 00:05:58,830 --> 00:05:56,470 matter real matter 149 00:06:00,240 --> 00:05:58,840 the cosmic beginning the book the Big 150 00:06:02,460 --> 00:06:00,250 Bang would be sort of like booting up a 151 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:02,470 system well where did that come from 152 00:06:06,660 --> 00:06:04,450 well from some other system on which you 153 00:06:10,380 --> 00:06:06,670 booted up this universe it sounds pretty 154 00:06:11,790 --> 00:06:10,390 uh pretty extreme so far but let's bear 155 00:06:12,990 --> 00:06:11,800 with me I think there's a convenient 156 00:06:16,650 --> 00:06:13,000 make more and more sense at least to me 157 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:16,660 as I ponder these things ready 158 00:06:20,340 --> 00:06:18,250 explanation of quantum entanglement 159 00:06:21,690 --> 00:06:20,350 well if you have particles say electrons 160 00:06:23,159 --> 00:06:21,700 rushing apart from each other because 161 00:06:26,459 --> 00:06:23,169 they've been created and in some 162 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:26,469 so that their their powers of their spin 163 00:06:31,019 --> 00:06:28,050 say or something like that are are 164 00:06:33,510 --> 00:06:31,029 correlated then we wonder how the action 165 00:06:34,589 --> 00:06:33,520 of one that we might take up here by 166 00:06:36,149 --> 00:06:34,599 virtue of some measurement could 167 00:06:38,369 --> 00:06:36,159 influence its partner over here which is 168 00:06:40,769 --> 00:06:38,379 maybe by this time many light-years away 169 00:06:42,029 --> 00:06:40,779 how can you possibly interact well it's 170 00:06:43,709 --> 00:06:42,039 not a problem if they're both being 171 00:06:45,330 --> 00:06:43,719 generated inside a computer they're not 172 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:45,340 physically located this far apart it's 173 00:06:48,929 --> 00:06:46,330 just the game that's being played 174 00:06:51,269 --> 00:06:48,939 decided yeah the Xbox and so it's 175 00:06:53,719 --> 00:06:51,279 something like the explanation of 176 00:06:55,559 --> 00:06:53,729 quantum entanglement it becomes trivial 177 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:55,569 and now we'll go through the rest of the 178 00:06:58,709 --> 00:06:56,650 minute there other things that are 179 00:07:00,239 --> 00:06:58,719 really easy to explain digitally but a 180 00:07:01,409 --> 00:07:00,249 really damn hard to explain if you want 181 00:07:03,089 --> 00:07:01,419 to have a system that's that's totally 182 00:07:06,149 --> 00:07:03,099 analog that that does what it seemingly 183 00:07:07,559 --> 00:07:06,159 does and human affairs in this view we 184 00:07:09,300 --> 00:07:07,569 did not actually here said here's the 185 00:07:12,179 --> 00:07:09,310 bug boom here's the here's the bad 186 00:07:13,769 --> 00:07:12,189 downside of that approach in this view 187 00:07:15,869 --> 00:07:13,779 we do not actually exist 188 00:07:18,570 --> 00:07:15,879 other than as algorithms in the computer 189 00:07:21,390 --> 00:07:18,580 so in this view which is beginning to be 190 00:07:23,459 --> 00:07:21,400 taken seriously by scientists we are 191 00:07:25,619 --> 00:07:23,469 really not us and we are not physical 192 00:07:28,709 --> 00:07:25,629 beings in fact we're not beings all we 193 00:07:30,329 --> 00:07:28,719 are somehow created in someone's virtual 194 00:07:32,010 --> 00:07:30,339 reality played on is a super vast 195 00:07:34,050 --> 00:07:32,020 computer someplace and if he shuts us 196 00:07:36,990 --> 00:07:34,060 down or or there's a crash the computer 197 00:07:38,279 --> 00:07:37,000 crashes we are dead now I don't like 198 00:07:40,290 --> 00:07:38,289 this view one bit and I don't think that 199 00:07:42,089 --> 00:07:40,300 I would not want to have a theory of 200 00:07:44,939 --> 00:07:42,099 reality based on that and I don't think 201 00:07:47,490 --> 00:07:44,949 you have to the theory I'm going to 202 00:07:51,300 --> 00:07:47,500 present is based on the following that 203 00:07:54,540 --> 00:07:51,310 consciousness is not castas not viewed 204 00:07:56,459 --> 00:07:54,550 primarily as of agree that sentence 205 00:07:58,019 --> 00:07:56,469 again conscious does not as primary but 206 00:07:59,999 --> 00:07:58,029 as a soul Constitution of our universe 207 00:08:02,399 --> 00:08:00,009 another possible reality so I'm saying 208 00:08:04,709 --> 00:08:02,409 that the only thing that exists both 209 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:04,719 here and everywhere everywhere at all 210 00:08:08,700 --> 00:08:06,370 and even in some of the universe is 211 00:08:10,429 --> 00:08:08,710 consciousness the conscious is the basis 212 00:08:12,510 --> 00:08:10,439 of everything the creator of everything 213 00:08:14,459 --> 00:08:12,520 including what we view around us isn't 214 00:08:17,820 --> 00:08:14,469 the reality that we live in everyday and 215 00:08:19,679 --> 00:08:17,830 I'm applying the or I'm proposing to 216 00:08:22,260 --> 00:08:19,689 accept the existence of a vast 217 00:08:24,689 --> 00:08:22,270 transcendent consciousness and that our 218 00:08:27,269 --> 00:08:24,699 true nature as beings of consciousness 219 00:08:28,529 --> 00:08:27,279 exists we are not just algorithms in 220 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:28,539 some computer we are beings of 221 00:08:33,889 --> 00:08:30,520 consciousness serve likely the flames 222 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:33,899 off the bonfire we are we are the the 223 00:08:36,990 --> 00:08:36,490 incarnations of the consciousness in 224 00:08:39,659 --> 00:08:37,000 this universe 225 00:08:41,700 --> 00:08:39,669 exploring its virtual reality so this is 226 00:08:47,970 --> 00:08:41,710 a lot better picture of us than that of 227 00:08:49,110 --> 00:08:47,980 merely being computer algorithms so what 228 00:08:51,420 --> 00:08:49,120 are the seven differences between these 229 00:08:52,830 --> 00:08:51,430 two points of view well the first one 230 00:08:55,140 --> 00:08:52,840 postulates an inanimate digital 231 00:08:57,990 --> 00:08:55,150 supercomputer scaled up by ten to the 232 00:08:59,910 --> 00:08:58,000 nth power Ranke me 100 200 whatever some 233 00:09:01,860 --> 00:08:59,920 huge power you know we're not limited 234 00:09:03,780 --> 00:09:01,870 well we are limited but in the far 235 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:03,790 future who knows how limited will be not 236 00:09:08,010 --> 00:09:05,650 nearly isn't very much compared to today 237 00:09:10,710 --> 00:09:08,020 so if we scale up a supercomputer by 238 00:09:12,150 --> 00:09:10,720 about a factor of 10 to the 20 10 to 110 239 00:09:13,860 --> 00:09:12,160 to 200 you know we will have the 240 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:13,870 capabilities that Seth Lloyd predicted 241 00:09:16,890 --> 00:09:15,610 we would have within 600 years even if 242 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:16,900 it's six thousand years before this 243 00:09:21,390 --> 00:09:19,690 happens to happen whereas consciousness 244 00:09:23,190 --> 00:09:21,400 chooses to act like a computer now 245 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:23,200 here's what I'm saying in that regard 246 00:09:26,310 --> 00:09:24,850 I think I could pretend to be a computer 247 00:09:27,420 --> 00:09:26,320 and I could write myself a little 248 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:27,430 algorithm it says okay 249 00:09:32,370 --> 00:09:29,770 if n equals blah blah blah x equals blah 250 00:09:34,230 --> 00:09:32,380 blah blah etc do loop okay now I could 251 00:09:36,180 --> 00:09:34,240 sit there if I wanted to all day long 252 00:09:36,810 --> 00:09:36,190 and stare at that well okay N equals 1 253 00:09:38,970 --> 00:09:36,820 fine 254 00:09:40,620 --> 00:09:38,980 and equals to find N equals 2 me I get 255 00:09:42,690 --> 00:09:40,630 in my head there only to be something do 256 00:09:44,370 --> 00:09:42,700 something really crazy I could act like 257 00:09:53,749 --> 00:09:44,380 a computer and you know have my own 258 00:10:00,329 --> 00:09:56,699 acting like a computer well if you have 259 00:10:01,859 --> 00:10:00,339 a very consciousness that is tending to 260 00:10:04,410 --> 00:10:01,869 the how many orders of magnitude beyond 261 00:10:05,939 --> 00:10:04,420 us then what's to prevent that being 262 00:10:08,099 --> 00:10:05,949 from doing that this sort of thing and 263 00:10:10,979 --> 00:10:08,109 imagining a world that consists of that 264 00:10:13,470 --> 00:10:10,989 kind of virtual simulation like this is 265 00:10:17,329 --> 00:10:13,480 the Maya that the ancient ancient 266 00:10:20,069 --> 00:10:17,339 Indians talked about in the scriptures 267 00:10:22,769 --> 00:10:20,079 the supercomputer of course operates the 268 00:10:25,349 --> 00:10:22,779 electronics the consciousness computer 269 00:10:28,019 --> 00:10:25,359 or the consciousness being acting like a 270 00:10:29,999 --> 00:10:28,029 computer would have highly structured 271 00:10:32,819 --> 00:10:30,009 thoughts so I would see these thoughts 272 00:10:35,699 --> 00:10:32,829 as being likely or rather I would see 273 00:10:37,979 --> 00:10:35,709 the the conscience is being like the the 274 00:10:39,989 --> 00:10:37,989 hardware and the thoughts of software 275 00:10:42,329 --> 00:10:39,999 and this is this is how the Maya game is 276 00:10:45,090 --> 00:10:42,339 played in the in the era of virtual 277 00:10:47,220 --> 00:10:45,100 reality our existence and environment is 278 00:10:49,079 --> 00:10:47,230 an illusion created by operation of the 279 00:10:51,239 --> 00:10:49,089 supercomputer so again we're algorithms 280 00:10:53,460 --> 00:10:51,249 are not people were nothing but but 281 00:10:55,259 --> 00:10:53,470 algorithms and our the other view of 282 00:10:56,249 --> 00:10:55,269 consciousness is that our existence is 283 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:56,259 100% real 284 00:10:59,460 --> 00:10:57,730 but it's offspring of a super 285 00:11:05,789 --> 00:10:59,470 consciousness our environment to the 286 00:11:07,889 --> 00:11:05,799 simulation by the way this would be also 287 00:11:09,419 --> 00:11:07,899 useful for explaining a paranormal 288 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:09,429 phenomenon I don't get into that very 289 00:11:13,319 --> 00:11:10,689 much mrs. revenue a joint meeting of 290 00:11:14,999 --> 00:11:13,329 Ssempa it's worth pointing out that this 291 00:11:17,609 --> 00:11:15,009 approach would as if some of these could 292 00:11:19,169 --> 00:11:17,619 be questions in paranormal physics in 293 00:11:20,729 --> 00:11:19,179 action might as well say that they're 294 00:11:22,379 --> 00:11:20,739 puzzling now things like entanglement 295 00:11:23,699 --> 00:11:22,389 and the role of the observer in 296 00:11:25,889 --> 00:11:23,709 measurement that being Radin talked 297 00:11:27,449 --> 00:11:25,899 about this morning all these things can 298 00:11:30,090 --> 00:11:27,459 be easily explained if we assume that 299 00:11:31,169 --> 00:11:30,100 there's a great consciousness using part 300 00:11:31,859 --> 00:11:31,179 of itself they've been a really tiny 301 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:31,869 part of itself 302 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:33,730 they're calculating all this stuff for 303 00:11:36,809 --> 00:11:35,529 billions of years to make this virtual 304 00:11:38,579 --> 00:11:36,819 or universe that we live in and we were 305 00:11:40,439 --> 00:11:38,589 enjoying right now sitting here and the 306 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:40,449 heat being very uncomfortable in heat 307 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:46,689 let's need to be well never mind now is 308 00:11:52,259 --> 00:11:48,730 there any evidence for this this gets a 309 00:11:53,519 --> 00:11:52,269 little bit scarce but there is there is 310 00:11:55,289 --> 00:11:53,529 some evidence and I'll just pointed out 311 00:11:56,909 --> 00:11:55,299 to you need to use your own judgment if 312 00:11:58,319 --> 00:11:56,919 you get this book by this book by this 313 00:12:00,389 --> 00:11:58,329 physicist and see what you think for 314 00:12:03,329 --> 00:12:00,399 yourself it's called my big toe which 315 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:03,339 means my big theory of everything his 316 00:12:06,350 --> 00:12:05,049 attempt to be clever anyway sort of 317 00:12:08,690 --> 00:12:06,360 clever and I like Tom 318 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:08,700 but he is a it was one of the first 319 00:12:12,829 --> 00:12:10,170 researchers working with Robert and roll 320 00:12:15,410 --> 00:12:12,839 at the Institute and but in Virginia 321 00:12:16,910 --> 00:12:15,420 back in the 1970s already he the 322 00:12:19,340 --> 00:12:16,920 physicist a physicist by training is 323 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:19,350 done a lot of consulting for NASA very 324 00:12:23,060 --> 00:12:21,570 nice guy very smart guy and he's done 325 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:23,070 hundreds of out-of-body experiences he 326 00:12:27,290 --> 00:12:25,890 says since the 1970s and what he says is 327 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:27,300 that he's visited some of these other 328 00:12:32,090 --> 00:12:30,810 realities now you know I'm kind of 329 00:12:35,030 --> 00:12:32,100 skeptical about that but on the other 330 00:12:37,220 --> 00:12:35,040 hand viewing this says the reality that 331 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:37,230 then I'm proposing it's not crazy I mean 332 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:38,850 it fits into the scheme of things that 333 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:40,410 I'm proposing to today you might not 334 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:42,810 want except this may be yeah until you 335 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:44,610 think about some more for a while but 336 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:45,690 it's very consistent with what I'm 337 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:48,510 saying so take them at least please put 338 00:12:52,310 --> 00:12:50,370 them back your minds it may be that the 339 00:12:54,769 --> 00:12:52,320 tom has seen some of the stuff and what 340 00:12:57,139 --> 00:12:54,779 he's done is reported back what the what 341 00:12:59,540 --> 00:12:57,149 the landscape looks like and this in 342 00:13:01,670 --> 00:12:59,550 fact is what is cosmocrats Majin he is 343 00:13:03,050 --> 00:13:01,680 he basically sees worlds within worlds 344 00:13:04,940 --> 00:13:03,060 within worlds within worlds and again 345 00:13:07,009 --> 00:13:04,950 this is not not a new concept needs a 346 00:13:09,380 --> 00:13:07,019 thousand years old but that's sort of 347 00:13:10,550 --> 00:13:09,390 the reality that he sees and there are 348 00:13:12,980 --> 00:13:10,560 sort of universes that are at the same 349 00:13:14,210 --> 00:13:12,990 level as our universe again matter 350 00:13:15,319 --> 00:13:14,220 modern astronomy wouldn't have anything 351 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:15,329 to quarrel with any modern astronomy 352 00:13:19,430 --> 00:13:17,130 postulates possibly millions of 353 00:13:20,660 --> 00:13:19,440 universes and I'm astronomer and I'm 354 00:13:23,389 --> 00:13:20,670 telling you that well repost rating in 355 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:23,399 astronomy is in some sense as outrageous 356 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:26,370 as this but already postulate is that 357 00:13:30,620 --> 00:13:28,410 you have hierarchies and worlds and that 358 00:13:32,269 --> 00:13:30,630 everything in a given reality when you 359 00:13:34,009 --> 00:13:32,279 ask for its origin you have two secrets 360 00:13:36,139 --> 00:13:34,019 origin in a higher level of reality and 361 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:36,149 so the Big Bang which into created our 362 00:13:39,170 --> 00:13:37,769 universe where did that how is that 363 00:13:39,860 --> 00:13:39,180 initiated where did that come from was 364 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:39,870 the cause of it 365 00:13:43,850 --> 00:13:41,970 and Tom's you it was from the next 366 00:13:46,509 --> 00:13:43,860 higher level that caused that there's 367 00:13:48,259 --> 00:13:46,519 even the one thing you cannot explain 368 00:13:49,939 --> 00:13:48,269 self consistently within a given 369 00:13:51,500 --> 00:13:49,949 universe is where it came from because 370 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:51,510 you always need some first cause that 371 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:53,310 comes from somewhere else that is in a 372 00:13:56,269 --> 00:13:54,930 sense more potent and I don't think 373 00:13:57,620 --> 00:13:56,279 there's any getting around that I think 374 00:13:59,180 --> 00:13:57,630 that's a hairstylist first cause that we 375 00:14:00,710 --> 00:13:59,190 simply have to live with and so at some 376 00:14:02,750 --> 00:14:00,720 level this thing this goes on until it 377 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:02,760 reaches the ladder goes on until it 378 00:14:06,230 --> 00:14:04,410 reaches the transcendent consciousness 379 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:06,240 that is everything at that point we just 380 00:14:09,860 --> 00:14:07,769 throw up her head and say look you know 381 00:14:11,389 --> 00:14:09,870 this is beyond space beyond time beyond 382 00:14:12,769 --> 00:14:11,399 my imagination you know I cannot 383 00:14:14,329 --> 00:14:12,779 understand this I'm not gonna worry 384 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:14,339 about it at least until the perhaps I 385 00:14:18,110 --> 00:14:15,930 you know take part in this for billion 386 00:14:23,300 --> 00:14:18,120 years and my spirit Rises to 387 00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:23,310 be worthy of obtaining this knowledge so 388 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:24,480 what would the ultimate purpose of this 389 00:14:28,579 --> 00:14:26,490 know I've given you an outline of what 390 00:14:30,290 --> 00:14:28,589 this might all consist of is this view 391 00:14:32,210 --> 00:14:30,300 of reality but what's the purpose of it 392 00:14:37,700 --> 00:14:32,220 why why I do it 393 00:14:39,140 --> 00:14:37,710 well Tom says and I agree for a one and 394 00:14:40,430 --> 00:14:39,150 only transient consciousness to 395 00:14:42,950 --> 00:14:40,440 experience this potential and thereby 396 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:42,960 evolve itself now if you're the one and 397 00:14:48,590 --> 00:14:46,290 only infinite being and you want to know 398 00:14:51,410 --> 00:14:48,600 what you really are like what kind of 399 00:14:52,730 --> 00:14:51,420 metal you have what kind of yeah knowing 400 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:52,740 yourself you would have to have 401 00:14:56,810 --> 00:14:54,450 something external to refer yourself to 402 00:14:58,850 --> 00:14:56,820 but if you're all of it is and nothing 403 00:15:00,710 --> 00:14:58,860 else but you can exist you can still 404 00:15:03,980 --> 00:15:00,720 kind of play this game by setting aside 405 00:15:05,810 --> 00:15:03,990 some of yourself as a renown which in a 406 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:05,820 virtual world can be created and then 407 00:15:12,590 --> 00:15:09,690 you can enter into it so Campbell uses 408 00:15:14,390 --> 00:15:12,600 has a source of decreasing entropy I say 409 00:15:19,100 --> 00:15:14,400 simply this is a way of evolving itself 410 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:19,110 for a system that I'm proposing yeah it 411 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:20,370 helps to know that there are other 412 00:15:23,930 --> 00:15:21,810 astronomers who thought similar thoughts 413 00:15:25,550 --> 00:15:23,940 may not not not Victor virtual realities 414 00:15:27,530 --> 00:15:25,560 but thoughts at the universe's of ask 415 00:15:29,090 --> 00:15:27,540 computers or dreams genes he talks about 416 00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:29,100 my no longer appearing as an accidental 417 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:30,240 intruder into the realm of matter 418 00:15:33,769 --> 00:15:32,250 without rather Hamlet as a creator 419 00:15:35,420 --> 00:15:33,779 governor of the realm of matter and so 420 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:35,430 he saw the mental universe as being that 421 00:15:40,190 --> 00:15:37,529 the basic universe not matter but mental 422 00:15:41,810 --> 00:15:40,200 universe and no favorite of mine Sir 423 00:15:44,570 --> 00:15:41,820 Arthur Eddington the one who made 424 00:15:46,699 --> 00:15:44,580 Einstein famous by by measuring the the 425 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:46,709 curvature of space in 1919 here the 426 00:15:50,810 --> 00:15:48,690 Arcadian nine Stein's garden and I think 427 00:15:53,660 --> 00:15:50,820 it's Eddie his garden and Eddington also 428 00:15:56,150 --> 00:15:53,670 had belief in other realms for example 429 00:15:58,130 --> 00:15:56,160 he wrote a book called me science in the 430 00:15:59,060 --> 00:15:58,140 unseen world and on the other hand on 431 00:16:00,890 --> 00:15:59,070 the right hand side there's the 432 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:00,900 mathematically relativity he took 433 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:02,130 Einsteins general relativity made the 434 00:16:06,620 --> 00:16:03,930 first textbook out of it and this is 435 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:06,630 1965 edition and that was my textbook I 436 00:16:10,670 --> 00:16:07,770 used that when I was in graduate school 437 00:16:13,579 --> 00:16:10,680 and it was a full of cancer calculus 438 00:16:15,260 --> 00:16:13,589 believe me it was it was a slog but this 439 00:16:17,300 --> 00:16:15,270 goes to show you how brilliant Eddington 440 00:16:18,350 --> 00:16:17,310 was I mean he was a real genius well 441 00:16:20,140 --> 00:16:18,360 I've been signaled that we got maybe 442 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:20,150 five minutes left 443 00:16:25,670 --> 00:16:22,410 three minutes well let's see waiting or 444 00:16:27,670 --> 00:16:25,680 two so the physical world is real and 445 00:16:30,060 --> 00:16:27,680 all there is that's the usual 446 00:16:31,900 --> 00:16:30,070 usually we get in mainstream science 447 00:16:33,850 --> 00:16:31,910 physical world is real but other 448 00:16:35,050 --> 00:16:33,860 realities exist what's improvement but 449 00:16:37,870 --> 00:16:35,060 it's still possible is two different 450 00:16:39,490 --> 00:16:37,880 things a world of matter and a world of 451 00:16:42,490 --> 00:16:39,500 consciousness probably those being the 452 00:16:43,750 --> 00:16:42,500 two things but maybe it's maybe this 453 00:16:45,550 --> 00:16:43,760 creation of matter it's really quite an 454 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:45,560 illusion because how do you make how do 455 00:16:49,870 --> 00:16:47,930 you make things solid and stable and 456 00:16:51,639 --> 00:16:49,880 silent inconsistent with the view of a 457 00:16:54,190 --> 00:16:51,649 continuous reality that we want to live 458 00:16:56,260 --> 00:16:54,200 in and so it may not be necessary to 459 00:16:57,820 --> 00:16:56,270 actually create a physical world if you 460 00:16:59,380 --> 00:16:57,830 simulate it well enough that's all you 461 00:17:01,150 --> 00:16:59,390 need because then you can create pretend 462 00:17:03,250 --> 00:17:01,160 that it's real everything you would do 463 00:17:05,140 --> 00:17:03,260 in everyday order your life that's as it 464 00:17:06,250 --> 00:17:05,150 were real and you don't need to create 465 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:06,260 do something that may be logically 466 00:17:09,610 --> 00:17:07,970 impossible I mean logically impossible 467 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:09,620 they have atoms and molecules that do 468 00:17:13,689 --> 00:17:11,809 the things that they do they do things 469 00:17:15,069 --> 00:17:13,699 that they do on the macroscopic scale 470 00:17:16,540 --> 00:17:15,079 but on the quantum scale they do weird 471 00:17:18,130 --> 00:17:16,550 things because the physics and we're 472 00:17:20,980 --> 00:17:18,140 down there and because that's where 473 00:17:23,380 --> 00:17:20,990 these discretization zuv quantizations 474 00:17:26,620 --> 00:17:23,390 of space-time we're they're not learn 475 00:17:28,419 --> 00:17:26,630 probably not to ugly heads so let's see 476 00:17:30,130 --> 00:17:28,429 what I have here the third possibility 477 00:17:32,590 --> 00:17:30,140 physical world is a technology based 478 00:17:34,180 --> 00:17:32,600 simulation so are we it says so are we 479 00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:34,190 business at the bottom that really gets 480 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:36,080 my ire no I don't believe in the 481 00:17:41,049 --> 00:17:39,770 simulation and the idea that you're 482 00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:41,059 living in a computer simulation almost 483 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:43,520 raised by Nick Bostrom this was a fair 484 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:46,490 other famous philosophical hardly harder 485 00:17:50,770 --> 00:17:49,010 philosophical paper that came out a few 486 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:50,780 years ago a lot of publicity a lot of 487 00:17:55,630 --> 00:17:52,370 people are thinking about the virtual 488 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:55,640 reality so I'm not going to go much 489 00:17:59,350 --> 00:17:57,290 further except to point out that the 490 00:18:00,970 --> 00:17:59,360 last possibility of this set of 491 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:00,980 possibilities for what what the heck is 492 00:18:04,180 --> 00:18:03,170 this all about is that the physical 493 00:18:06,370 --> 00:18:04,190 world is a consciousness based 494 00:18:08,830 --> 00:18:06,380 simulation and constants is all there is 495 00:18:14,020 --> 00:18:08,840 and includes us let me find if I can one 496 00:18:20,020 --> 00:18:14,030 more beautiful oh I can't miss this one 497 00:18:24,460 --> 00:18:22,330 well okay I went too fast and I'm a 498 00:18:26,710 --> 00:18:24,470 computer bump I guess anyway that's the 499 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:26,720 that's my view at least a beginning 500 00:18:31,660 --> 00:18:29,450 outline the rough basis of a theory of 501 00:18:33,070 --> 00:18:31,670 everything that keeps all the physics as 502 00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:33,080 it is I mean we explore the physical 503 00:18:37,300 --> 00:18:35,120 world just as we always do but we 504 00:18:39,460 --> 00:18:37,310 ourselves you know our rear beings of 505 00:18:41,170 --> 00:18:39,470 consciousness and to understand what 506 00:18:42,550 --> 00:18:41,180 that is it's a mistake to look elsewhere 507 00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:42,560 for this generation that comes from 508 00:18:45,730 --> 00:18:43,760 within us because that's what we are 509 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:45,740 look no further conscious of what we are 510 00:18:51,940 --> 00:18:48,890 and all that is in my view anyway enough 511 00:19:06,280 --> 00:18:51,950 initely blabbing I'm open to questions 512 00:19:11,730 --> 00:19:06,290 oh okay as usual we'll be asking people 513 00:19:16,690 --> 00:19:14,140 Bernie I've got your book and I've heard 514 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:16,700 you before and I must say I'm attracted 515 00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:19,970 to your hypothesis are you familiar with 516 00:19:25,090 --> 00:19:22,160 Robert Lansing and his book biocentrism 517 00:19:27,130 --> 00:19:25,100 very similar so you've read that the 518 00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:27,140 only thing is how do you get past the 519 00:19:34,660 --> 00:19:29,360 argument or the philosophical difficulty 520 00:19:35,890 --> 00:19:34,670 of solipsism and the in other minds it 521 00:19:38,050 --> 00:19:35,900 sounds like you're talking about just 522 00:19:40,210 --> 00:19:38,060 one mind which your mind might be the 523 00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:40,220 only one or mind might be the only one 524 00:19:44,500 --> 00:19:42,320 so what about other minds well I think 525 00:19:46,330 --> 00:19:44,510 there's a high the way I see it is that 526 00:19:48,330 --> 00:19:46,340 there's a huge interim there's a vast 527 00:19:51,250 --> 00:19:48,340 infinite maybe I need infinite unbounded 528 00:19:53,170 --> 00:19:51,260 transcendent mine one mine notice this 529 00:19:54,490 --> 00:19:53,180 one mine could get lonely I don't know 530 00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:54,500 if I ever get lonely but it's kind of 531 00:20:00,370 --> 00:19:58,160 with one one one conscious only you 532 00:20:03,220 --> 00:20:00,380 can't really explore yourself so I think 533 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:03,230 that what this entity does is to create 534 00:20:09,550 --> 00:20:06,530 universes using mathematics because I 535 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:09,560 think the mathematics 99 capabilities of 536 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:11,690 this being you know would be pretty 537 00:20:17,770 --> 00:20:14,810 evident but then sends into that was 538 00:20:19,570 --> 00:20:17,780 realities consciousness streams that are 539 00:20:20,860 --> 00:20:19,580 you and me in the you know the the trees 540 00:20:23,500 --> 00:20:20,870 in the forest and the alien somewhere 541 00:20:25,780 --> 00:20:23,510 else all living things would then simply 542 00:20:28,090 --> 00:20:25,790 be consciousness embedded in a virtual 543 00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:28,100 reality that would then do the things 544 00:20:32,020 --> 00:20:30,080 that you can in that reality it would 545 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:32,030 are bad and kind of develop even an 546 00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:33,049 ethics 547 00:20:36,759 --> 00:20:35,360 morality by virtue of the behavior that 548 00:20:38,409 --> 00:20:36,769 you would have and we're doing right now 549 00:20:41,229 --> 00:20:38,419 is without even recognizing what we are 550 00:20:42,639 --> 00:20:41,239 and so there lots of billions of 551 00:20:44,109 --> 00:20:42,649 twenties of other entities out there 552 00:20:48,609 --> 00:20:44,119 that are the other beings that we 553 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:48,619 interact with that's the view Bernie as 554 00:20:53,049 --> 00:20:50,330 the physicist I've always relished the 555 00:20:55,269 --> 00:20:53,059 equations that help me and get things 556 00:20:56,919 --> 00:20:55,279 built but when I joined the SS II I 557 00:20:59,769 --> 00:20:56,929 found out that there was a consciousness 558 00:21:01,720 --> 00:20:59,779 that was a reality and I've always 559 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:01,730 wondered how do you start to get some 560 00:21:07,869 --> 00:21:05,570 equations that are helpful to use in in 561 00:21:09,849 --> 00:21:07,879 consciousness no you have basically said 562 00:21:11,379 --> 00:21:09,859 there's nothing but consciousness you do 563 00:21:13,930 --> 00:21:11,389 all the equations we've been using as 564 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:13,940 physicists somehow go away no I think 565 00:21:17,739 --> 00:21:15,529 there's a very universal laws that apply 566 00:21:18,729 --> 00:21:17,749 to each and every universe so it may be 567 00:21:20,229 --> 00:21:18,739 they may be different for universe 568 00:21:21,399 --> 00:21:20,239 University but that again is not a 569 00:21:22,479 --> 00:21:21,409 consciousness statement that's something 570 00:21:24,999 --> 00:21:22,489 if I were addressing in astronomy 571 00:21:27,279 --> 00:21:25,009 audience which I have done - and I said 572 00:21:28,539 --> 00:21:27,289 there are probably hundreds of thousands 573 00:21:29,919 --> 00:21:28,549 of other universes being created every 574 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:29,929 second and they all have different 575 00:21:34,479 --> 00:21:32,330 properties I'd be ok I mean that's 576 00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,489 that's pretty much a speculative but ok 577 00:21:41,169 --> 00:21:36,559 astronomy now for the same thing applies 578 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:41,179 here ok first like to say I 579 00:21:45,399 --> 00:21:43,369 fundamentally agree with the perspective 580 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:45,409 that you're taking I think it's very 581 00:21:49,989 --> 00:21:48,289 interesting approach where I think it's 582 00:21:51,389 --> 00:21:49,999 challenging in and I think it's a 583 00:21:55,259 --> 00:21:51,399 challenge for anyone that's trying to 584 00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:55,269 put this in linguistic terms is that 585 00:22:02,560 --> 00:21:58,720 when you couch it in terms of simulation 586 00:22:04,869 --> 00:22:02,570 simulation of what what is it simulating 587 00:22:06,879 --> 00:22:04,879 right if it's not real there's not a 588 00:22:11,099 --> 00:22:06,889 fundamental physical reality to simulate 589 00:22:13,810 --> 00:22:11,109 or to mimic right and I think this is a 590 00:22:15,639 --> 00:22:13,820 language barrier thing than anything but 591 00:22:17,289 --> 00:22:15,649 I think some of these problems you talk 592 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:17,299 about illusion or simulation these come 593 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:20,570 from being embodied in this physical 3d 594 00:22:25,389 --> 00:22:22,850 reality and trying to extrapolate what 595 00:22:26,889 --> 00:22:25,399 we know about 3d reality to explain that 596 00:22:28,180 --> 00:22:26,899 higher dimensional reality that you're 597 00:22:30,369 --> 00:22:28,190 talking about that's right and the 598 00:22:31,570 --> 00:22:30,379 problem is is is you talk to people that 599 00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:31,580 have had these kind of cosmic 600 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:33,769 consciousness experiences even beyond 601 00:22:39,099 --> 00:22:35,330 like your typical out-of-body experience 602 00:22:41,169 --> 00:22:39,109 where you really do have that one mind 603 00:22:42,639 --> 00:22:41,179 experience where there is no temporal 604 00:22:46,180 --> 00:22:42,649 reality and your interconnect with all 605 00:22:46,930 --> 00:22:46,190 things it's completely ineffable and to 606 00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:46,940 try to come back 607 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:48,710 and then codify that in a system that 608 00:22:51,820 --> 00:22:50,210 you can then convey to someone else 609 00:22:53,710 --> 00:22:51,830 using language is a very very big 610 00:22:55,390 --> 00:22:53,720 challenge and I don't know really the 611 00:22:56,740 --> 00:22:55,400 best approach to do it other than for 612 00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:56,750 more people that have more experiences 613 00:23:00,730 --> 00:22:58,490 of their own that's right as I was 614 00:23:02,350 --> 00:23:00,740 explaining earlier on the laws we're 615 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:02,360 still your laws have you practiced 616 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:03,650 physics easily in our universe immediate 617 00:23:08,110 --> 00:23:06,410 humors has certain physical laws and we 618 00:23:09,670 --> 00:23:08,120 can use them to do physics and always 619 00:23:10,990 --> 00:23:09,680 will be have to be able to do that the 620 00:23:13,060 --> 00:23:11,000 only question is in where these come 621 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:13,070 from did they come from just by chance 622 00:23:18,610 --> 00:23:15,410 or which creator which conscious reality 623 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:18,620 reality consciousness do do not like the 624 00:23:22,810 --> 00:23:20,570 idea of a god and these things enter in 625 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:22,820 with the world as it's physically 626 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:24,770 constructed is the same whether you 627 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:26,210 believe this or some other hypothesis 628 00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:28,610 yes this one kind of makes a claim we 629 00:23:31,690 --> 00:23:29,600 are looking at the universe from within 630 00:23:34,210 --> 00:23:31,700 we're in the lab Attar's basically we're 631 00:23:35,740 --> 00:23:34,220 avatars in the virtual game and we play 632 00:23:37,420 --> 00:23:35,750 that game from the avatar get shot at 633 00:23:39,580 --> 00:23:37,430 running over dice and natural causes and 634 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:39,590 then probably we return to the spirit 635 00:23:43,060 --> 00:23:41,210 world probably and probably come back 636 00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:43,070 and the brother lives and I not 637 00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:44,510 necessarily even here maybe elsewhere in 638 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:44,960 the universe 639 00:23:49,210 --> 00:23:47,450 who knows I think it's productive to 640 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:49,220 think of it as pockets of relative 641 00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:51,530 reality in the sense it's not that it's 642 00:23:54,730 --> 00:23:54,110 not real the experience is what's real 643 00:23:57,790 --> 00:23:54,740 right 644 00:24:02,140 --> 00:23:57,800 by very many different kinds of 645 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:02,150 realities right well thank you I enjoyed 646 00:24:06,790 --> 00:24:04,490 your structure Bernie you created it 647 00:24:09,370 --> 00:24:06,800 seemed like the computer simulation is a 648 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:09,380 metaphor for something we have a hard 649 00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,050 time getting our hands around that true 650 00:24:15,940 --> 00:24:13,520 you know I would take it pretty pretty 651 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:15,950 really and that conscience is a real 652 00:24:19,660 --> 00:24:18,170 thing in my view it's really you can use 653 00:24:21,790 --> 00:24:19,670 consciously that's all there is in my 654 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:21,800 view well then if conscious embodies 655 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:23,810 itself within a physical body if it 656 00:24:30,610 --> 00:24:28,250 which is virtual then the conscious was 657 00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:30,620 done need to acknowledge it that virtual 658 00:24:35,620 --> 00:24:33,710 look that virtuality so to speak that's 659 00:24:38,260 --> 00:24:35,630 as real as it would be to the avatar 660 00:24:40,570 --> 00:24:38,270 playing the Xbox game and the game 661 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:40,580 becomes a reality to the conscious 662 00:24:45,550 --> 00:24:43,490 beings that are playing it well who 663 00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:45,560 universe I think happened very limited 664 00:24:49,530 --> 00:24:47,840 concept of simulation and your have a 665 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:49,540 very expansive one and 666 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:51,290 multidimensionality and all kinds of 667 00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:53,450 things that are allowed it's that true 668 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:55,370 that's true that's that's a slide I had 669 00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:56,930 about South Floyd you said 600 years 670 00:25:00,990 --> 00:24:59,200 we'll be able to simulate the universe 671 00:25:02,850 --> 00:25:01,000 well I think he's off by maybe a factor 672 00:25:04,889 --> 00:25:02,860 of 10 or 100 or whatever but I think 673 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:04,899 it's gonna happen it then it comes a 674 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:06,250 question okay you've got the virtual 675 00:25:12,180 --> 00:25:09,370 reality is it that it's maybe populated 676 00:25:14,490 --> 00:25:12,190 by beings there are not really beams at 677 00:25:16,259 --> 00:25:14,500 all there is this just software in a 678 00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:16,269 computer or is this game being played by 679 00:25:21,060 --> 00:25:18,130 conscious itself through individual 680 00:25:23,820 --> 00:25:21,070 sparks of that which are us right and so 681 00:25:26,129 --> 00:25:23,830 there you're implying freewill like 682 00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:26,139 we're actors that were able to create 683 00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:28,000 our own angry what is essential yes not 684 00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:28,960 freewill this whole thing would be a 685 00:25:34,019 --> 00:25:31,360 charade with freewill this becomes a way 686 00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:34,029 to develop a whole ethical system I have 687 00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:35,440 nothing if a being wants to see what 688 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:37,840 what is nature I see here isn't because 689 00:25:41,310 --> 00:25:39,490 it or her what is his or her nature 690 00:25:41,879 --> 00:25:41,320 would bring about because of his or her 691 00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:41,889 goodness 692 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:43,840 you know faced with circumstances that 693 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:45,610 we live in this would be a good way to 694 00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:47,289 develop ethics he developed good and a 695 00:25:51,930 --> 00:25:49,809 good from bad by virtue of we've got you 696 00:25:53,549 --> 00:25:51,940 know God himself being frustrated by 697 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:53,559 having a mortgage bill to pay and he's 698 00:25:56,909 --> 00:25:55,570 out of a job well you can learn from 699 00:25:59,250 --> 00:25:56,919 that even God can learn from that 700 00:26:04,799 --> 00:25:59,260 I think right ok well thank you very 701 00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,809 much sir I liked you talk one thing that 702 00:26:09,139 --> 00:26:06,880 I'd like to address is you make mention 703 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:09,149 of a theoretical paradigm of 704 00:26:14,399 --> 00:26:12,730 consciousness being like a computer and 705 00:26:17,549 --> 00:26:14,409 a computer program type of simulation 706 00:26:20,039 --> 00:26:17,559 yes now how do you reconcile that with 707 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:20,049 just that being the current scientific 708 00:26:25,169 --> 00:26:22,450 paradigm within which we couch like 709 00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:25,179 epistemological knowledge because in 710 00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,000 other eras we looked at other models to 711 00:26:31,889 --> 00:26:29,919 explain a very similar concept that 712 00:26:34,980 --> 00:26:31,899 you're talking about you just seem to be 713 00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:34,990 bringing it to a very current model and 714 00:26:40,019 --> 00:26:37,360 I wonder if that transit how that flows 715 00:26:42,509 --> 00:26:40,029 into other models that will come up 716 00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:42,519 later on or be reinvigorated well I 717 00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:45,039 think that don't confuse a new computer 718 00:26:48,450 --> 00:26:46,990 with just a bigger and better electronic 719 00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:48,460 package and having more and more 720 00:26:55,529 --> 00:26:50,110 transistors and you know faster and 721 00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:55,539 faster times operation times the type of 722 00:26:58,500 --> 00:26:57,039 computer could easily change but the 723 00:27:00,269 --> 00:26:58,510 basic logic behind one thing is 724 00:27:01,379 --> 00:27:00,279 mathematics there's bad build up on 725 00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:01,389 mathematics which is not going to change 726 00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:04,720 and I think that ok the Pythagorean 727 00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,159 theorem will always be the Pythagorean 728 00:27:09,460 --> 00:27:08,080 theorem it's never going to change and I 729 00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,470 think that's the basis of it 730 00:27:18,820 --> 00:27:11,360 that through a computer which probably 731 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:18,830 can't change thank you since we have a 732 00:27:23,529 --> 00:27:21,530 moment left according to the timer I was 733 00:27:27,250 --> 00:27:23,539 going to exercise moderators privilege 734 00:27:29,169 --> 00:27:27,260 and just make the remark that I don't 735 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:29,179 actually see a difference between the 736 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:32,210 digital physics paradigm and the model 737 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:34,490 you're proposing the digital physics is 738 00:27:43,270 --> 00:27:38,330 simply one proposed implementation for 739 00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,280 the transcendent universal mind well I 740 00:27:48,970 --> 00:27:45,200 see a huge difference between you as a 741 00:27:51,549 --> 00:27:48,980 an infinite beam of consciousness as a 742 00:27:54,370 --> 00:27:51,559 spark off the old block chip off the old 743 00:27:56,500 --> 00:27:54,380 block or us simply something running at 744 00:27:59,169 --> 00:27:56,510 some supercomputer that would be good 745 00:28:05,580 --> 00:27:59,179 instant computer crashes I think the UM 746 00:28:12,220 --> 00:28:10,510 more questions yes barely okay so 747 00:28:15,330 --> 00:28:12,230 reycarts well in his book age of 748 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:15,340 intelligence machine talks about a 749 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:17,570 virtual reality like a jet fighter 750 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:19,970 simulator where it generates all the 751 00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:21,890 algorithms to show what you're looking 752 00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:24,799 through the cockpit window yes and if 753 00:28:29,169 --> 00:28:27,679 you turn left of course you know it has 754 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:29,179 to have the structure and all the 755 00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:31,010 algorithms just in case you do that so 756 00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:33,710 yeah so I just wonder yeah I kind of 757 00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:35,929 agree with what York is saying as well 758 00:28:40,270 --> 00:28:38,809 so any comments on that I guess it's 759 00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:40,280 okay to say the same comments over again 760 00:28:45,460 --> 00:28:42,159 because I see a huge difference between 761 00:28:47,230 --> 00:28:45,470 me as a immortal being of consciousness 762 00:28:51,010 --> 00:28:47,240 that may well return almost certain does 763 00:28:52,419 --> 00:28:51,020 return to a source versus me as some 764 00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:52,429 algorithm being a plinth and somebody's 765 00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,830 computer somewhere over disappear if 766 00:28:59,100 --> 00:28:56,960 their computer crashes you seem to be 767 00:29:02,640 --> 00:28:59,110 advised offices you can get in terms of 768 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:02,650 modeling our nature